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PostSubject: Re: Do we need some OS Kaiju &/or Super Robots?   Mon Aug 01, 2011 3:50 pm

I like the look overall, particularly the cheesy lightning bolts on the shoulders, but I'm not a fan of the knee pads. I'd go with round ones and maybe inlay the bolt pattern. This has a classic anime look....which is perfect since he's meant to be a little last generation....

For Starizer, I'd go a little more modern/techno looking...but this definitely gets the ball rolling...looking forward to Yzz's designs as well...

I think the name Millenium Fighter Cosmic Falcon is funny...possibly tempting fate, but funny...

Now, we were talking about having an earth-bound protector as well. Maybe the earthlings use a next-gen Turbo Robo to battle the Sub-Terrors? (Maybe me and Bard can contribute more ideas to that)
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PostSubject: Re: Do we need some OS Kaiju &/or Super Robots?   Mon Aug 01, 2011 4:05 pm

I'm actually after a form that could sensibly be converted into a more modern super robot for the Starizer, and I'll also have a go at designing the other 12 (!) robots. I'll let you guys have some fun designing and developing the Earth Robo, I just really wanted Battlestar Galactica with (Bigger) Robots. Also, letting the guys not so familiar with Super Robots might make it nicely different from Starizer.

Also, if anyone is curious, the Galaxian Robo Force (in order of power, with the first 5 all pretty much equivalent) that I've fleshed out is as follows:

Astro Falcon Alpha
Astro Falcon Beta
Astro Falcon Gamma
Astro Falcon Delta
Astro Falcon Epsilon
Demon Traitor Neutron Falcon
Excel Fighter Thunder Robo
Millennium Warrior Cosmic Falcon
-Millennium Champion Quasar Falcon
Space Warrior Starizer
-Great Shogun Starizer
Astro Warrior Grand Nova
-Astro Champion Supreme Supernova
Space King Galaxizer
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PostSubject: Re: Do we need some OS Kaiju &/or Super Robots?   Mon Aug 01, 2011 10:01 pm

I like the look, Vagrant. I agree that the knee pads may be a bit much (or possibly just too large), and I would reverse one of them so that they "mirror" each other, but overall I think it's a great start.

argosail wrote:
Now, we were talking about having an earth-bound protector as well. Maybe the earthlings use a next-gen Turbo Robo to battle the Sub-Terrors? (Maybe me and Bard can contribute more ideas to that)

Works for me. Just throwing this out there, because I'm big on classical mythologies: Maybe the earth-bound robot is composed of 4 parts, one for each of the classical elements that supposedly make up the planet?
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PostSubject: Re: Do we need some OS Kaiju &/or Super Robots?   Mon Aug 01, 2011 10:05 pm

So since I have had a chance to sit down, review my Super Robo series and really take some time with it, here's my current version of how I picture Excel Fighter Thunder Robo:


By the way, the dark blue forearm parts aren't solid disks or anything, they're meant to be Tesla Coils that are attached to the arms by hardpoints or something.

EDIT: Lulz, Bard, your idea sounds a lot like the Elementalist team I mentioned in one of my first posts here Razz I think just as a general idea the concept of a "robot" as such being made of fire/water/wind/earth is maybe a little too offbeat. Attacking with those elements? Definitely. Powered by an interchangeable "Elemental Core" that alters its physical characteristics and its look somewhat based on which one it uses? For sure. Being actually composed of the elements and nothing much of anything else? Eh, that seems more like the domain for a telekinetic dude with a penchant for showing off, or something.

Also, Argo & Bard, are you thinking this will be a one-piece model or a combiner model?


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PostSubject: Re: Do we need some OS Kaiju &/or Super Robots?   Mon Aug 01, 2011 10:20 pm

VERY impressive design, Vagrant. Love the look, the color scheme... The whole thing works for me!

Vagrant wrote:
I think just as a general idea the concept of a "robot" as such being made of fire/water/wind/earth is maybe a little too offbeat. Attacking with those elements? ... Being actually composed of the elements and nothing much of anything else? Eh, that seems more like the domain for a telekinetic dude with a penchant for showing off, or something.
Sorry, I should have been clearer. I meant 4 vehicles, mecha, robots, whatever, each focused on one element. Like, spinning off the top of my head, maybe animal-shaped robots designed to resemble an eagle, a dragon, a crocodile, and a bull. Or 4 smaller robots, each colored to connect to an element. I wasn't suggesting just "building" the robot out nothing but the elements (although that might be neat to consider if we ever wanted to do a giant robo concept with a magical base, instead of a scientific one...).

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Also, Argo & Bard, are you thinking this will be a one-piece model or a combiner model?
Obviously, I was thinking of a combiner, but I'm not married to that idea. I could easily work with just a one-piece model (which might actually make a bit more sense so that this "character" stands out as different from the Thunder-Robo concept).
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PostSubject: Re: Do we need some OS Kaiju &/or Super Robots?   Mon Aug 01, 2011 10:26 pm

Glad you like the design. I wouldn't bother with the magical construct simply because I already have such a team on the boil. But tying it to the four elements is definitely a strong starting idea. I have some ideas but I would rather let you guys run with it to see what you get. Personally I like the idea of a non-combining robot though. Remember the rules of super robots though: it must always be awesome. That's about it really.
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PostSubject: Re: Do we need some OS Kaiju &/or Super Robots?   Tue Aug 02, 2011 8:00 am

Okay, maybe you guys didn't watch Voltron...

Red Lion - flame attack (stored in magma)
Green Lion - hurricane attack (stored in giant tree)
Blue Lion - water attack (stored under water)
Yellow Lion - sand blast attack (stored under sand dunes)

I like the idea of different mythological creatures though, like the phoenix...

Nice design Vagrant..much more distinctive and modern....


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PostSubject: Re: Do we need some OS Kaiju &/or Super Robots?   Tue Aug 02, 2011 8:21 am

Oh, I've seen Voltron. It's based on the elements, sure, but if Bard can come up with a nice alternative idea around the elements thing then it's worth considering.
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PostSubject: Re: Do we need some OS Kaiju &/or Super Robots?   Wed Aug 03, 2011 12:09 am

argosail wrote:
Okay, maybe you guys didn't watch Voltron...
Yeah, I did, and I feel like a total idiot for not remembering that little fact. Okay, let's just forget the combiner elemental thing and go with a standard robot.

Again, with my penchant for combining totally irrelevant mythologies, what would you think of basing the robot on the Celtic mythological figure of the Green Man, who was an earth-god? If nothing else, I think it would give this robo a totally unique look.
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PostSubject: Re: Do we need some OS Kaiju &/or Super Robots?   Wed Aug 03, 2011 7:33 am

Hmmm...interesting idea....so, like....a robot Swamp Thing sort of?
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PostSubject: Re: Do we need some OS Kaiju &/or Super Robots?   Wed Aug 03, 2011 8:14 am

argosail wrote:
Hmmm...interesting idea....so, like....a robot Swamp Thing sort of?

I hadn't thought of it that way, but I suppose that's one way of looking at it. Here's a great Green Man head pic:

http://www.runelords.com/images/artwork/green_man_2.jpg

I don't recall seeing any (or many) giant robos in green, and I imagined lasers or lighting bolts or something being fired from the horns. All of the attacks would based on earth forces: Hyper Magma Blast, Electro Vine Capture, etc.
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PostSubject: Re: Do we need some OS Kaiju &/or Super Robots?   Wed Aug 03, 2011 12:15 pm

Just scribbling down some more ideas for the Falcons, more ideas or suggestions for change are welcome. I've obviously gone for the "Individual roles" thing with these fighters, like most 5 Man Bands.

Astro Falcon Alpha: Piloted by the strategic leader of the Falcon Squad, this fighter is a space superiority fighter, with excellent maneuvering and combat speed but low endurance and armor. Its weapons are rapid-fire laser machine guns and energizing blade-tipped wings, for close range dogfighting, as well as a pair of anti-fighter missiles. It features a high-speed booster that can operate for very short periods of time to allow for surprise blade attacks and the like.

Astro Falcon Beta: Piloted by the team's navigator and data analyst and the largest ofg the Astro Falcon fighters, Beta is a full-spectrum support craft, with excellent data collection and distribution skills. Used correctly, it can locate and lock on to even very fast or stealthy foes, and acts as the Falcons' coordination system. Though its sensory equipment is quite fragile for the most part it's quite well armoured, though it is also rather slow as it usually hangs back at the rear of an engagement to provide support. Its weapons include a limited rack of high-precision advanced penetrator missiles and a dual laser machine-gun turret.

Astro Falcon Gamma: Fulfilling the heavy bombardment role of the group, Gamma is a slow, unwieldy tank of a fighter, loaded up with twin multi-fire missile pods, as well as a variety of other missile types and amounts, for bombardment of larger and tougher targets, as well as a complement of smaller anti-fighter missiles, but packs only a single nose-mounted autocannon for non-explosive attack. It has a good single-target locking system, but in conjunction with Beta's SWACS it can target multiple targets at a time.

Astro Falcon Delta: The high speed combat unit of the Astro Falcons, Delta is intended to get in, strike and get out, and to act as an interceptor for destroying less maneuverable fighters and small targets like bombers. It has a high output engine, with a short-term sprint overbooster to push it to incredible speeds. Because it is such a fast fighter it sacrifices maneuverability at those high speeds, but is one of the more agile Falcons at lower speeds. Designed to be light and have mostly engine space, Delta is lightly armed with a single laser cannon and a pair of Kinetic Energy Missiles that can penetrate through armour and deal very precise strike damage.

Astro Falcon Epsilon: The last of the Astro Falcons, Epsilon is the stealth model fighter, designed with an invisibility cloak and kinetic projectile machineguns that can fire through the cloak. It has a broad-spectrum sensor dampening suite that can be activated aqt the cost of extra energy, and is a quiet- and cold-running model. The weapons are also silenced, though in space this tends to be a non-issue anyway. The fighter is able to hover in place and move at a slow pace with complete silence using magnetic vectoring rather than its ion engine. As a stealth fighter Epsilon is also able to close to melee combat range, and as such has a pneumatic mag-grapple/harpoon that it can use to reel in or hook to other objects.

Devil Traitor Neutron Falcon: Designed out of Demon Robo technology, the Neutron Falcon is a jack of all trades fighter, with a pair of light blaster cannons and a continuous fire pulse wave cannon installed in its nose. When utilising its own Demon Robo core the pulse wave cannon is not extraordinarily strong, designed primarily for sustained assault against a single spot on a target to gradually break through armor and thus not at all suited to anti-fighter roles. However, when using a Gattai Linkup to combine with an auxilliary energy source it can direct the energy through its own Energy Resonance System to power up the Pulse Wave Cannon by folds or even orders of magnitude. The main asset of the Neutron Falcon is its ability to Gattai Link with other Galaxian machines to enhance their own flow of power and provide some additional abilities with its modular upgrade system.

EDIT: Just noting down a different system where each ship could be specialised more around their Signature Weapons more so than role. Aside from some regular laser machine guns each has a Power Laser and a Heavy/Support weapon, as below:

Alpha: Piercing Spiral Laser / Defender Modules / Jump Drive

Beta: Gravity Crusher Laser / Splitter Missiles / Energy Shield

Gamma: Expanding Ring Laser / Wave Blades / High Speed Overbooster

Delta: Perimeter Disc Laser / EMP Sphere / AWACS + Fire Targeting

Epsilon: Wave Motion Laser / Rotary Drill / Stealth Shield

Neutron: Homing Pulse Laser / Snare Harpoon / Energy Resonance System


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PostSubject: Re: Do we need some OS Kaiju &/or Super Robots?   Wed Aug 03, 2011 2:12 pm

Bard,

Hmmm...I can see how you were inspired by that image. It would be interesting to design a wise, old bearded looking robot...like a robo Tree Beard or that weird version of Jetfire in Revenge of the Fallen (only, hopefully, with less farting attached). But jokes aside, it would be unique...

But here's what I'm thinking...a wise looking robot should embody old world knowledge, so I'm thinking the thing should actually be powered by magic and both very powerful and very mysterious. For that reason, I propose it's not the star of the show...it's an ancient thing that nobody really knows the origin of, and no one really believes to exist. But one day, it shows up to stop some surface villains from inadvertantly destroying the earth, and the Terran government sends its champion against it, thinking it is another Sub-Terror. It nearly wipes the floor with the Terran champion robo, but the misunderstanding is cleared up and Green Man disappears into the earth, only to occassionally re-emerge to aid the Terrans against the Sub-Terrors in humanity's most desperate hours...

I'm thinking it is operated by a young desert nomad that is equally mysterious and hard to find ( though he does dwell on the surface with the rest of human). I'm thinking something like Denzel's character in The Book of Eli combined with the video game character Strider.
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PostSubject: Re: Do we need some OS Kaiju &/or Super Robots?   Wed Aug 03, 2011 2:41 pm

Partial concept for Thunder Robo/Starizer (inb4 I suck at drawing);



Incidentally, I've been reading the Getter Robo manga...It's HARDCORE. Everyone of the "heroes" seems to be at least mildy psychotic.
Link here

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PostSubject: Re: Do we need some OS Kaiju &/or Super Robots?   Wed Aug 03, 2011 3:19 pm

Uh oh! Design clash! How will we decide which Thunder Robo to use? I like your Starizer though.
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PostSubject: Re: Do we need some OS Kaiju &/or Super Robots?   Thu Aug 04, 2011 5:33 pm

Since it's a little more complete, I think I prefer Vagrant's version of Thunder Robo. I definitely think Yzz has created a good starting point for Starizer though. It actually looks like an evolution of Vagrant's design. While the yellow and red looks a little loud on Yzz's Thunder, I'm wondering if we could use more red in Vagrant's Thunder, to reserve the blue for Starizer (blue and yellow seeming like a more spacey/cosmic color scheme to me). Just a thought. Different colors would help distinguish the bots.
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PostSubject: Re: Do we need some OS Kaiju &/or Super Robots?   Fri Aug 05, 2011 11:05 am

Okay, how about this for the earth robot. With the Excel Fighter Thunder Robo off in space with the Galaxians, humanity was unprepared for the rising of the Angrathians, a hideously deformed race created eons ago when an insectoid race that dominate the planet in prehistory was overcome by a form of intelligent fungus. Their society fell and the two lifeforms fell into a state of suspended animation near the earth's core, combining into one horrific species, which has awakened and now wants the planet back.

A group of scientists gathered parts of former robos from various museums around the world and strove to combine them into a new fighter robo, while they trained a new pilot. The had no luck until the pilot's disabled younger brother, a genius, sneaked into the lab one night and solved the computer glitch that had been giving them trouble. Seeking for a name for the new device, the scientists took the suggestion of the brother (a fan of mythology) when he said, "Well, since we finally got it to mesh, why not call it Earth Fighter Gilgamesh?"
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PostSubject: Re: Do we need some OS Kaiju &/or Super Robots?   Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:11 pm


I took the liberty of vectoring Vagrant's Thunder Robo. Hope you don't mind.

I'm toying with the idea of the Falcons as an interchangeable core-lander type docking system. Any thoughts on that?
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PostSubject: Re: Do we need some OS Kaiju &/or Super Robots?   Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:21 pm

Oh hey, that looks pretty darn awesome. This interchangeable core docker system, what exactly would it entail? A single fighter docks into the Thunder Robo/Starizer to change its performance in some way? I'm intrigued by the name, would love to hear some more details of your idea here.
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PostSubject: Re: Do we need some OS Kaiju &/or Super Robots?   Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:38 pm

Here is more or less what I had in mind.



Coreless Thunder Robo, Fighter/Falcon, Thunder Robo with the fighter docked

You could have core-fighters/Falcons with different abilities or you could simply change fighters (and pilots) on the fly.

I think the fighter would be a cool v-fin for a larger robot too, personally.




Gundam Seed had attachments that attached on the back of the Gundam and an air fighter than were interchangeable. The Gundam also had a defense similar to a polarized hull, and the packs needed to be switch mid-battle to use the packs internal batteries to power the Phase-Shift Armor.

Seed used a long-range sniper attachment, a melee attachment, and a maneuverability attachment.

Having some sort of docking fighter is a staple of the Gundam franchise. The original series had a fighter that became the cockpit that were interchangable between the Gundam and the Guntank; G Gundam had a similar thing without interchangability, and Gundam Seed had the striker packs.
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PostSubject: Re: Do we need some OS Kaiju &/or Super Robots?   Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:55 pm

WOW! Awesome work Code-man. As someone who has played around with Illustrator and Correl Draw, I appreciate the skill it takes to do something like that. What program do you use? Do you have a gallery somewhere?

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PostSubject: Re: Do we need some OS Kaiju &/or Super Robots?   Thu Jan 19, 2012 3:50 am

I use Illustrator CS3. I have Flash to go with it, but I pretty much purely vector and draw stuff in Illustrator.
Tracing over stuff is a lot easier than freehand, and tracing over a drawing is easier than a photograph.

I don't have a formal gallery but I have been creating some wallpapers (codeandreload.com/?s=wallpaper&commercial-use=-nc&modification_rights=-nd) that are CC-BY-NC-ND that are free to distribute as-is. I haven't posted a link in the art forum, but I will soon.

I also do have a deviantart account at: codeandreload.deviantart.com ; currently, I only have Black Lantern Midnight on there right now.
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PostSubject: Re: Do we need some OS Kaiju &/or Super Robots?   Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:33 am

Nice job! And yes, we need more Kaiju and Super Robots! Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Do we need some OS Kaiju &/or Super Robots?   Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:19 am

Vagrant, I'd like to upload the source files (illustrator and svg) if you are okay with that. If you are, let me know if you want attribution (cc-by) or not (cc-0).
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PostSubject: Re: Do we need some OS Kaiju &/or Super Robots?   Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:02 pm

Attribution would be nice, despite it being an open source design I went for, attribution is always pleasant.
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